Blue Canary is absolutely correct - """ Oh, brother. This is as stupid as having surgery to reclaim your "virginity." If you want to draw attention to your beliefs there are more productive ways of doing so.""" I find this whole thing very strange - Atheists do not believe in baptism - so why do they believe in de-baptism???? I think that Atheism IS a religion. One definition of a religion is - ""a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe - a body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices"". I am sure that our Atheist friends can produce a definition that better fits there ideas though! But each to their own - if thats what floats your boat then go for it.
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Atheists choose 'de-baptism' to renounce childhood faith
by whereami indo you think the wts would except this?.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-07-21-atheists-debaptism_n.htm?csp=usat.me.
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Creator or Evolution? Confused...
by Newborn ini don't feel i have to know the truth about how life started or where we're coming from etc, but can't help thinking abt it anyway now and then.
guess it's only natural.. right now i feel really clueless and that i have too little knowledge abt the darwin, big bang theory.... (i was always taught by the dubs that darwin questioned his own theory...but was it really so?)..
i have a close friend who's sure of the evolution but can really the complex and wonderful life and nature come abt by chance (even though he says it's not chance...).
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((( ALL of the ACTUAL evidence points in the exact same direction - Evolution. That is precisely why it is FACT. The "articles" stating otherwise are totally bogus religious drivel, not impartial data. )))
Oh god!!!!!
Just like the Watchtower is the "only" truth and everything else is bogus. - have you learned nothing?????????
I notice you say that the articles stating otherwise are "religious". You do not need to read religiously motivated books to find a strong counter argument against the theory of evolution.
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Creator or Evolution? Confused...
by Newborn ini don't feel i have to know the truth about how life started or where we're coming from etc, but can't help thinking abt it anyway now and then.
guess it's only natural.. right now i feel really clueless and that i have too little knowledge abt the darwin, big bang theory.... (i was always taught by the dubs that darwin questioned his own theory...but was it really so?)..
i have a close friend who's sure of the evolution but can really the complex and wonderful life and nature come abt by chance (even though he says it's not chance...).
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"""Err no, the alternative according to science is that everything is here due to natural processes""".
What natural processes produced the universe - oh pleae elaborate?
"""Science does not know what came 'before' the big bang"""
Neither do I - no one does.
"""So perhaps you could rewrite that to be 'we dont know what made everything - entirely in line with the basic rules of science."""
No - quite happy with what I have written already - you have said nothing that changes what I said.
"""Evolution was proven by Darwin"""
Some evolutionary biologists would disagree with you on this.
"""If you could point out one scientific article (in a reputable scientific journal) that proves Darwin wrong on the fundamentals of evolution by natural selection?"""
And this is the problem - both sides of the argument can pruduce loads of articles, evidence etc etc - it is a circular conversation.
Look - believe what you want to believe, I am happy and content to believe that God created the entire universe and all life on earth. For me this is the only logical conclusion.
Each to their own......
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How do you know when someone LOVES you?
by The Berean ini suppose the english word "love" has many meanings according to individual needs and experience.
the questions are for me: if love is unilateral or an interactive relationship?
is unrequited love none-the-less rewarding?
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Well for me and Mrs Scotsman - We were walking along the sea front of Helensburgh, West Scotland - we had not being going out for long. We sat on a bench - it was a cold, gray day - both of us rapt up in coats, scarfs etc. It was really cold with a stiff sea breeze. Mrs Scotsman was rubbing her hands together to get them warm. So, I plucked up the courage and took her hand - this was the first time we held hands and it was like - electricity - I knew it right away. And so did she. I can't explain it any other way - we just knew this was the start of something special. We celebrated this occasion with a fish supper - it was brilliant. Yes - I am an old romantic........
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"""If you vote for a creator then you clearly haven't read both sides.""" Oh God!!! I aint gonna get into this debate again - bye
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""" I don't think desperate & fallacious creationist propaganda is what he had in mind. """ Can I ask - have you read this book? I have, and I can tell you that your description of it is so off the mark!!! Anyway evolutionists produce there own propaganda just as much as anyone else. """ I mean, would you read a book called 'Why Creationists Are Dumb Ass Idiots'? """ No I would not - thats why I suggested a book that does not call anyone an idiot! Richard dawkins on one of his "numerous" programmes said that people are stupid if they do not believe in Evolution. He sits there with scant evidence for anything he says - and tells everyone else that if we do not accept his opinions we are all mugs. I say read both sides of the argument - as I have. Perhaps you have to. After everything being considered - I vote for a creator.
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Creator or Evolution? Confused...
by Newborn ini don't feel i have to know the truth about how life started or where we're coming from etc, but can't help thinking abt it anyway now and then.
guess it's only natural.. right now i feel really clueless and that i have too little knowledge abt the darwin, big bang theory.... (i was always taught by the dubs that darwin questioned his own theory...but was it really so?)..
i have a close friend who's sure of the evolution but can really the complex and wonderful life and nature come abt by chance (even though he says it's not chance...).
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The alternative to Creation is ultimately - Nothing Made Everything - which defies the basic rules of science. The key one being cause and effect - Every effect MUST have a cause. For anyone to come on to this forum and say the evidence for evolution is "overwhelming" is overstating it a tad!!!! Richard Dawkins admitted that - There is plenty of "circumstantial" evidence for Evolution but no absolute evidence. So it enters into the realms of faith - believing something we cannot explain, see or prove totally.
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There is a book entitled - You can take an Evolutionist to evidence but you can't make him think. Excellent book The Scotsman
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Just read the God Delusion- JWs get a mention!!
by Kudra indriving back from dallas to tucson i listened to in on my ipod.
unabridged version.. what surprised me is how sentimental dawkins is.
once or twice he made me tear up.
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Tuesday
Thanks for your long and somewhat over-reactive comments.
Lets get this whole thread in some context - Richard Dawkins book - The God Delusion....
Does he believe in evolution? YES
Does he believe in God? NO
My entire reason for commenting on this thread was to make the point that His conclusions are merely an opinion - his version of facts. His comments / books are given more credence than they deserve.
Do I disagree with all of evolutions conclusions? NO
Do I believe in a creator? YES
Tuesday - you are totally entitled to your opinions, but to resort to "name-calling" and "character attack" is a poor perfromance on your part and undermines the whole point of this discussion forum.
You have attempted to make me look "uneducated, stupid and argumentative.
You said - "" If you feel comfortable continually arguing against something you clearly don't know anything about go ahead. ""
I think you will find that it was in fact you that turned this into a pointless argument.
You said - "" You're confusing alot of different things here.""
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!! All I said was that I thought Dawkins was wrong in his "No God" conclusion - remember the context - The God Delusion book!!!!
You "mockingly" suggest looking up the word Evolution in a dictionary. I think you know what you can do with this suggestion.
The Scotsman - not a happy JWN member...
What happened to freedom of expression???????????????
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Just read the God Delusion- JWs get a mention!!
by Kudra indriving back from dallas to tucson i listened to in on my ipod.
unabridged version.. what surprised me is how sentimental dawkins is.
once or twice he made me tear up.
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Tuesday -
Your missing the point - for gods sake!!!!!!!!!!
First lets stop all of this garbo about there not being any Evolutionists etc etc and whether its a abiogenesis or Evolution!!!! Your merely playing with words.
To suggest that evolution is merely about living things is bull.
It boils down to one question - How did the universe get here? (Not, how did living things get here!)
Evolution is about the "origin" of everything - just as religion is about the origin of everything. - animate or inanimate.
You said - Of course because a pencil is not a living thing. Evolution only applies to living organisms. This isn't even comparing apples to oranges, this is comparing apples to plastic oranges.
Interesting -
The Atom is not living.
Galaxies are not living.
And yet both are governed by physical laws and clearly show design. (Merely my opinion by the way)
Also you qoute others and post links to "pro" evolution videos etc - hey we can all refer to information to back up our claims.
I am not a creationist by the way - and I also do not disagree with everything that Evolution has concluded.
I merely feel that a Creator caused it all to happen. God caused the big bang if you like.
Anyway their is not much point going on with this - I am set in my ways and so are you.